tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post3424186114667436473..comments2024-02-17T04:00:25.925-06:00Comments on The Platoon Advantage: Fifteen Years of "Tainted" Titles?The Common Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994070642805307798noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-71632831368667666872012-03-02T09:31:55.982-06:002012-03-02T09:31:55.982-06:00In the interest of completeness, everyone was incl...In the interest of completeness, everyone was included.air to air heat exchangerhttp://airtoairheatexchanger.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-34963828393168983282011-05-20T00:07:13.449-05:002011-05-20T00:07:13.449-05:00Gotcha. PEDs and booze = not cool. Manager beatin...Gotcha. PEDs and booze = not cool. Manager beating his wife = fine. Come on. Ken Caminiti was a Brave. So was Gary Sheffield. They don't have a monopoly on morality.The Common Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994070642805307798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-35150728588255385562011-05-19T23:57:21.881-05:002011-05-19T23:57:21.881-05:00sry that was supposed to be DUI chargesry that was supposed to be DUI chargeSnavenhojnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-4403767624075858342011-05-19T23:56:37.076-05:002011-05-19T23:56:37.076-05:00i'd like to point out that that the Braves cha...i'd like to point out that that the Braves championship team was clean. Justice didn't use PED's until much later in his carrier(00-01) when he was with the yanks. The same is true for Merker. His first case was in 02 with the Rockies. The braves are a clean organization. Just look at the faces; Chipper Jones one of the best clean players of this generation, and the pitching staff of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine, all clean and making up the best rotation in the 90's. The braves don't tolerate cheating and shady characters. There's a reason no brave has ever been banned. I'd be surprised if Lowe isn't on his way out for the DD chargeSnavenhojnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-80240619406023985782011-04-15T03:04:39.655-05:002011-04-15T03:04:39.655-05:00TCM- Glad to see this discussion picking up steam...TCM- Glad to see this discussion picking up steam. I've been using this point as my "go to" rebuttal in the ever evolving disparagement of individual PED suspects/users.<br /><br />Ultimately, this is a team game whereupon the greatest achievement remains one garnered by the team as a whole. <br /><br />Certainly the debate over individual performance deserves scrutiny as it pertains to the hallowed records of individual achievement, but we cannot simply condemn players w/out full acknowledgement of their contributions towards what SHOULD BE the most guarded and sacred prize in team sports...<br /><br />...or have we just reached the point where designating members of the 500 HR club and eligibility for the HOF is more important than the name of the team on the Commissioner's Trophy?.?.?BilliamFloydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-69821725485244731262011-04-15T00:11:50.025-05:002011-04-15T00:11:50.025-05:00Larry Bigbe! You've got to be kidding me! He h...Larry Bigbe! You've got to be kidding me! He had 28 plate appearances the entire season. Wasn't even on the playoff roster. 17 games! <br /><br />LaRussa shouldn't even be on there. <br /><br />2006 wasn't a tainted title whatsoever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-79170864493592404312011-04-14T13:00:58.499-05:002011-04-14T13:00:58.499-05:00I agree that it's a tremendous stretch to incl...I agree that it's a tremendous stretch to include the 2006 Cardinals on this list. Tony LaRussa, the manager, is no more responsible for steroids in the game than any other coach or manager or front office personnel of any stripe. And Larry Bigbie, as noted above, had 28 plate appearances for the 2006 Cardinals.<br /><br />One can only suppose that the listing of the '06 Cardinals derives from either a personal animus by the writer against LaRussa, or a desire to make the list complete.Vidorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09391689584024292560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-24966449516149438382011-04-13T11:31:24.451-05:002011-04-13T11:31:24.451-05:00Manny Ramirez was never punished until 2009 but he...Manny Ramirez was never <i>punished</i> until 2009 but he tested positive during the trial period, which IIRC was in 2004.<br /><br />Also, I support your including Larry Bigbie on the 2006 Cards team. Considering how few games they won to make the postseason, Larry Bigbie's contribution is relevant.JD Mathewsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013387350010957440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-20786180771847273472011-04-13T09:15:50.610-05:002011-04-13T09:15:50.610-05:00David Justice was also on the 2000 WSC Yankees -- ...David Justice was also on the 2000 WSC Yankees -- a big part too -- ALCS MVP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-28785216381958742011-04-13T02:59:04.941-05:002011-04-13T02:59:04.941-05:00Not to be too nitpicky, but Alex Rodriguez denied ...Not to be too nitpicky, but Alex Rodriguez denied ever taking any PEDs in that 2007 <i>60 Minutes</i> feature. He didn't admit anything until early 2009.Pepe Free Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-26138798815416407172011-04-13T02:41:37.216-05:002011-04-13T02:41:37.216-05:00Jose Guillen wasn't on the Giants playoff rost...Jose Guillen wasn't on the Giants playoff roster last year, for what it's worthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-30145271312739410742011-04-12T21:45:02.364-05:002011-04-12T21:45:02.364-05:00Andy Pettitte was on the 2005 Astros so the 05 ser...Andy Pettitte was on the 2005 Astros so the 05 series was also tainted.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08625872147436989686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-33776120669558611982011-04-12T18:01:26.117-05:002011-04-12T18:01:26.117-05:00Perhaps an insignificant distinction, but I believ...Perhaps an insignificant distinction, but I believe David Ortiz's test officially was classified as "inconclusive" rather than positive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-64144191045067626242011-04-12T16:49:58.543-05:002011-04-12T16:49:58.543-05:00Bigbie wasn't on the "World Series winnin...Bigbie wasn't on the "World Series winning" team, however. His last appearance with St. Louis was in June. Definitely not on the 25-man at Series time. Didn't all the others have accused guys on the actual post-season roster? Ozuna and the Sox are the only other possible exception I can see -- he appeared in the post season but not in the Series, and I don't know whether he was active for the Series or rnot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-49740639729638701312011-04-12T15:13:17.589-05:002011-04-12T15:13:17.589-05:00@Anonymous
In the interest of completeness, everyo...@Anonymous<br />In the interest of completeness, everyone was included.The Common Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994070642805307798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-37125904600401209832011-04-12T15:10:24.599-05:002011-04-12T15:10:24.599-05:00Larry Bigbie played in 17 games in 2006 with the C...Larry Bigbie played in 17 games in 2006 with the Cardinals and had a weeks worth of plate appearances. You seriously included him on your list?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-7948475200714671692011-04-12T15:01:33.419-05:002011-04-12T15:01:33.419-05:00Thanks, TCM. Should have said also that this was a...Thanks, TCM. Should have said also that this was a good post, and very interesting. Just an observation on my part, so I hope it didn't come out as a criticism. <br /><br />I think you make a good point on the entire issue I haven't seen anyone else hit on yet.The Baseball Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02259799886656706541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-27621117730593596672011-04-12T14:52:06.956-05:002011-04-12T14:52:06.956-05:00Thanks for the updates to Joe and Rick G. So now ...Thanks for the updates to Joe and Rick G. So now we officially have no clean World Series winners from 1995-2010. Yay?<br /><br />And Anonymous, what do you think TCM is working on for tomorrow?The Common Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994070642805307798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-46226810704466518302011-04-12T14:48:46.446-05:002011-04-12T14:48:46.446-05:00Would be super cool if you could do the same thing...Would be super cool if you could do the same thing with the World Series loser, so we could discuss who the "real" chapions would be, if any of them were clean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-31186562267105068752011-04-12T14:47:12.432-05:002011-04-12T14:47:12.432-05:00As a White Sox fan, I'd love to say the 2005 c...As a White Sox fan, I'd love to say the 2005 club was completely clear of steroids...but I can't. <br /><br />Pablo Ozuna tested positive in 2009 and was suspended 50 games...he got 217 PA for the '05 Sox, and pinch-ran in two ALCS games (scoring the winning run in game 2 after the AJ Pierzynski dropped-third strike play).<br /><br />Now, do I think Pablo Ozuna was 'roiding at the time? And even if he was, do I think it even mattered? No, to both. But facts is facts.RickGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-1419391036858546582011-04-12T14:41:38.427-05:002011-04-12T14:41:38.427-05:00Clemens was on the 2000 Yankees, too.Clemens was on the 2000 Yankees, too.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01302163125402760502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-67603483702601590802011-04-12T13:44:36.672-05:002011-04-12T13:44:36.672-05:00That is absolutely a valid point, TBI. TCM will u...That is absolutely a valid point, TBI. TCM will update to reflect that.The Common Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994070642805307798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-5368486107688719292011-04-12T13:35:24.875-05:002011-04-12T13:35:24.875-05:00Seems like a unnecessary shot at LaRussa. Francona...Seems like a unnecessary shot at LaRussa. Francona managed two tainted teams, and Torre managed four of them.<br /><br />If LaRussa gets special mention, so should those two. <br /><br />Why does LaRussa get singled out when the others don't?The Baseball Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02259799886656706541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064547517730087223.post-47730213298472097602011-04-12T13:21:58.044-05:002011-04-12T13:21:58.044-05:00Fantastic post and I agree. I also think Steve Kar...Fantastic post and I agree. I also think Steve Karsay is an engaging tweeter.<br /><br />By the way, the verification word on this comment was "Likilly." I likilly your writing very much.William J. Taskerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02313204947130235560noreply@blogger.com